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  INTERVIEW WITH LYNDON WOODSIDE
March, 2001
 

In a recent interview Maestro Lyndon Woodside, Music Director of the Oratorio Society of New York, talked about the Oratorio Society's upcoming concert of Bach's Magnificat at Carnegie Hall (March 12, 2001.)

Q. I am told that the Oratorio Society of New York (OSNY) will be performing Bach's Magnificat on Monday March 12th at Carnegie Hall. Is this the first time the group will be performing the work?

A. No, the OSNY first performed the work in 1915, with other performances in 1956 and 1971.  In the 1915 performance at Carnegie Hall the soprano soloist was Marie Sundelius.  A soloist at the Metropolitan Opera (who created the roles of La Ciesca in Gianni Schicchi and the Monitor in Suor Angelica) she was a very important voice teacher in NYC. Her students included many opera stars of the first half of the 20th century, as well as famed voice teacher Edward Zambara.

Q. So the OSNY hasn't performed the work since 1971.  The Bach Magnificat is one of the most popular works in the choral repertoire.  Why have 30 years passed since the OSNY last performed it?

A. I became music director in 1973, and early on felt that this work wasn't really appropriate for a chorus the size of the OSNY.  (After all, Bach first performed it with less than 20 singers and a similarly sized orchestra.) Performing the complicated contrapuntal writing of the piece with the proper clarity is quite difficult for a chorus our size.  But now I feel that the OSNY has reached a level of much greater musical skill, with the ability to sing it accurately.  I think it will prove to be quite an accomplishment for the OSNY.

Q. Tell me about the piece.  What do you think inspired it?

A. Basically I think he was simply fulfilling the duties of his position; to supply music for the occasions of the liturgical year.

Q. A practical man.  When did Bach compose it?

A. It was first performed in 1723 on Christmas Day, Bach's first year as in Leipzig.  Bach had just recently become Cantor of St. Thomas in Leipzig, the post he would hold for most of the rest of his life.  This was his first work for a major holiday for the good burghers of Leipzig, so it was important. They were accustomed to high quality liturgical music.  So it was important he provide an impressive musical display.

Q.  In which he most definitely succeeded.  What about the text?

A. The text was chosen from the seasonal Advent liturgical text of the time, as Bach was writing for Christmas services.  Remember that in this new position Bach was responsible for providing music to the 4 leading churches of Leipzig on a weekly basis.  He wrote nearly 300 cantatas as Cantor of Leipzig, two of which we are also performing at this same concert.

Q.  As opposed to the usual four part SATB format of choral works, Bach chose to use 5 choral and 5 solo parts.   Why?

A. My guess is that it follows his usual practice of writing for the particular forces at hand.  Not to mention that he didn't have to worry about paying union scale to the musicians.

Q. Somewhere around 1730 Bach made changes to the work.  What changes were made, and any speculation as to why?

A. This later version is the one we will be performing at Carnegie Hall.  The most significant change was shifting the key to D Major. The initial version of the Magnificat was in the key of E-flat Major.  If you absolutely forced me to make a guess, I might suggest the key change was for the trumpets, as D Major is a much easier key for them to play in.  He also took out 4 hymns that had been sung as part of the work; "Von Himmel hoch, da komm ich her" sung after the Et exultavit, "Freut euch und jubilierat" which followed the Quia fecit, after the Fecit potentiam came "Gloria in excelsis" and "Virga Jesse floruit" was heard after Esuriantes implevit.   Plus in various places the harmonies were smoothed out, some rhythmic changes were made in various spots, and there were some orchestral adjustments.

Q. Why did you choose to perform the latter version?

A. Personal taste -- I don't care much for the Christmas insertions.

Q. What is it that attracts you to the work?

A. It is a wonderfully crafted, exciting and satisfying piece of music.  The intricate construction is astonishing, made even more so by how accessible it is for the listener.   Plus, in selecting it, I knew it was wonderful music that I was sure the chorus would love singing.

Q. Having conducted the work nearly a dozen times, how do you keep it fresh each time?

A. I never have to think about keeping it fresh, for every time I start working on it I find more that I never discovered before.  And I make changes in the performance based on these new discoveries, such as how to better voice the thematic relationships more successfully.  I change the aspects that I emphasize in different movements.   I change tempi, trying to select the most success ones for the work.  This time, for example, I've made the first movement slower than my prior performances, while I have made the Gloria slightly faster.

In general, I think I have a more complete architectural/dynamic plan for each movement.   Having had experience with the Magnificat before, I now have a better sense of where the difficulties are, and I can better prepare and perform the work.

Q. Any points that an active listener might want to take special note of in the performance?

A. Ideally, I would hope that the listener will most receive what they hear and let the music speak to them.  I think it will be most helpful for the listener to read the text and consider how Bach has musically colored the text, striking just the right relationship between the spirit of the text and the musical depiction of the text.

Q. Can you give me any specifics?

A. In the Gloria, to match the text "in the highest", Bach builds a beautiful, yet complex, ascending line.  To start, the choral lines overlap in an ascending figure, and follow the natural progression from Bass to first Soprano.  Yet as Bach changes from that basic structure, intermingling, and even reversing, the vocal entrances, you still get the feeling of the music ascending even higher.  In the Tenor aria Desposuit potentes, listen to the strength it takes to "tear down the mighty", with the first and second violins in unison.  In Fecit potentiam, hear how square and stable it begins, and yet when the text talks about "scattering" how Bach suddenly brings in 16th notes and makes the music sound scattered.  In the final movement, when the words are "as it was in the beginning" note how Bach references the music from the first movement, matching the meaning of the text.

I have also spoken at length with the chorus about the underlying rhythmic nature of the piece, which has a very jazzy feel to it, which I want them to bring out in the performance.   There is actually a very strong dance quality to the rhythms of Bach's Magnificat.

Q. For the choral musical fan, how will this upcoming performance differ from other recent performances they might have attended around New York?

A. Basically, it will be different because of what my approach is to the work.   No two conductors fully agree on all aspects of an interpretation.

More specifically, I have instructed the chorus to use the Germanic pronunciation of Latin, as opposed to the Italian style Latin listeners are used to; in which the consonants are pronounced as they would be in Italian.  For instance, I have asked the choir to sing a hard 'g' in generationes, as opposed to the soft 'g' they might be accustomed to.  Furthermore, I am partial to the scholarship behind the Muller edition of the score that we are using, which is fairly new.  You may not know it, but Bach scribbled his compositions, not always making each note particularly clear.  I think Muller has a good handle on what Bach really did write.

Q. Speaking of special things about this upcoming performance, you have a wonderful group of soloists slated. Tell me about them.

A. Cyndia Sieden is an extraordinary Soprano with an unbelievable high range; able to truly sing a G above high C.  She has recorded the arias that Mozart specifically wrote for Aloysia Weber.  (The CD is Arias for Aloysia Weber on the Glossa label, with the great John Elliot Gardiner conducting.)   She is on the roster at the Metropolitan Opera. A soprano with a brilliant, silvery- sounding voice, with great flexibility.

Carla Wood, Mezzo-Soprano, is now singing with opera companies all around the country and sings often with Eve Queler and the Opera Orchestra of NY.   She produces a very warm, very lovely sound.  She is also on the roster of the Metropolitan Opera.

Jane Dutton, Mezzo-Soprano, is also very busy with opera companies all over the US.  She is also on the roster of the Metropolitan Opera.  In addition. this season she had a great success in the Donizetti at City Opera.  She has a beautiful, rich voice.

Daniel Weeks, a new young tenor on the scene, has a wonderful, exciting voice and is already looking forward to performances around the country. He is a very complete artist and an exciting performer. This performance marks his Carnegie Hall debut.

Robert Pomakov is a most accomplished young bass at about the age of twenty.  He won the OSNY Solo Competition last season. This will be his Carnegie Hall debut.  He is amazingly vocally mature for a man of his young age and should have a brilliant career. He is an extremely dynamic singer with a wide range.  The audience should really enjoy him.

Q. Do you have any special musical goals for the concert?

A.  To do it well.

Q. What do you hope people take away from the concert?

A. I hope that they are physically and spiritually uplifted by an upbeat evening that should be invigorating to the listener.

Thank you, Maestro.

--Bob Unterman, March 2001